Session Start: Wed Jul 24 18:47:36 2002 Session Ident: #dnd3e [19:04] * NiTessine goes "Eep!". [19:04] Hi Peter [19:04] ADKISON. [19:04] ah ha! [19:04] 40d6 [19:04] * Golem rolls the dice for drowdude (40d6) and rolled 138. [19:04] Hey Peter [19:04] Hi there! [19:04] hi [19:04] Peter! [19:04] * thatdarncat sets mode: +v PeterAdkison [19:04] Hi PeterAdkison [19:04] Hey Peter! [19:04] * Staffan cheers for the Janitor [19:04] Peter [19:04] Am I in the right place? [19:04] * Reiella sets mode: +m [19:04] You are :) [19:04] welcome [19:04] * Guest52975 has joined #dnd3e [19:04] Hi Peter - good to see you. [19:04] * CharwomanGene is now known as PeterAdkinson [19:04] Thanks! [19:04] OK, folks, we'll be locking the roomk down in a moment. [19:04] * PeterAdkinson is now known as CharwomanGene [19:04] * Guest25390 has joined #dnd3e [19:05] Nice to see you too, Morrus. [19:05] channel is already locked down [19:05] * thatdarncat sets mode: +d [19:05] Is this a moderated chat or sink-or-swim style? ha ha [19:05] OK, folks. The only people who will be able to speak are myself, Peter and the channel Ops. [19:05] this is a moderated chat :) [19:05] Moderated Chat heh, [19:05] No, we wouldn't subject you to that! [19:05] if anyone has a question, send it to Rei or myself [19:06] * Reiella accepts bribes to push questions up on the queue [19:06] Hi everyone! [19:06] OK, all ready, Peter? [19:06] * Guest34470 has joined #dnd3e [19:06] * Lurkerwannabe has quit IRC (QUIT: Leaving) [19:06] Yup, I'm ready.. Q&A style right? I didn't really come with a "speech" or anything... [19:06] I'm happy to answer questions about anything legal. :-) [19:06] Yup - I'll just be grabbing questions from the audience. [19:07] Grab away! [19:07] * Naz has joined #dnd3e [19:07] * EricNoah has joined #dnd3e [19:07] * ChanServ sets mode: +o EricNoah [19:07] * AvengingArchmage has quit IRC (QUIT: Leaving) [19:07] Could you quickly introduce yourself? I'm sure everyone knows who you are, but there may be the odd one who's wondering! [19:07] * GueBugbearst has joined #dnd3e [19:07] * Wolvorine has joined #dnd3e [19:07] Sure. Peter D Adkison. Founder of WotC in 1990, CEO there until Jan 2001. Worked... [19:08] a lot on Magic in the early days but can't really ask difficult questions about that. Worked [19:08] a lot more on D&D, especially 3rd edition. I've kept up with that as a player and ... [19:08] * VocenoctumGuest has quit IRC (QUIT: Leaving) [19:08] could handle questions about the underlying systems/philosophy. Then I [19:08] * GueBugbearst has quit IRC (QUIT: Leaving) [19:09] took a year off and recently acquired Gen Con, which is what I'm mostly doing now. [19:09] * vocenoctum1 has joined #dnd3e [19:09] * Temprus has joined #dnd3e [19:09] * Guest04093 has joined #dnd3e [19:09] * Mixmaster has joined #dnd3e [19:09] * Guest72193 has joined #dnd3e [19:09] * Reiella sets mode: +o Temprus [19:09] The first wave of questions is flooding in, and there appears to be a common theme.... [19:09] Education: BS, CS 1985. MBA 1997. [19:09] Interests: games, rock climbing, snowboarding, dancing, travel. [19:09] end intro! [19:10] * Bugbear has joined #dnd3e [19:10] * Looking up thatdarncat user info... [19:10] * Looking up PeterAdkison user info... [19:10] Okey dokey! First question from... well.. everyone here, it seems....Would you/will you/did you offer to buy D&D from WotC? [We'll get that out of the way off the bat!] [19:11] but...but boss, that clears out half the questions? what will we do? [19:11] * William has joined #dnd3e [19:11] I told Hasbro that if anytime they wanted to sell off any piece of WotC to please do me the honor of giving me a chance to bid on it. That's how I ended up with Gen Con. I certainly expressed... [19:12] my interest in D&D, but I've been told that they have no interest in selling D&D or Magic. Hasbro has a product-manufacturing strategy. Yes, they've been laying off people and selling off businesses, but not key products, just things like conventions, magazines, ecomm sites, and so on. I don't think there's any chance D&D will get sold anytime soon. [19:12] done (what should I type when I'm done with a multiline answer?) [19:13] (gotta be internet-savvy, ya know... :-) [19:13] ironically enough I believe you're the first to actually ask that [19:13] * Bragi has joined #dnd3e [19:13] We just tend to wing it :) [19:13] fair enough! [19:13] * William has left #dnd3e [19:13] Oh...I hope you all come to Gen Con! The best four days in gaming! (tm) [19:13] So it's fair to say that if the situation arose, you'd jump in there? [19:14] Sure. But I wouldn't pay more than what I think I could eventually recoup, plus a profit. [19:14] Sorry 'bout the Gen Con plug--I couldn't resist. ha ha [19:14] * Raistlin25majere has joined #dnd3e [19:14] What did you do between leaving WotC and buying Gen Con? [19:15] [s'OK - everyone does it!] [19:15] I goofed off! Spent about 16 months. Did *tons* of gaming, plus my other interests. Probably hit the slopes almost 40 times this winter--had a great snowboarding season here in the northwest. [19:16] I was also looking the entire time for the "right" opportunity. I wanted to get back into hobby games, and I resisted several offers outside our industry. [19:16] (mostly electronic gaming companies.) Guess that about covers it. [19:17] It seems that you acieved the American Dream (tm). Started a small business and ended up a very wealthy man! Did you ever expect WotC to be as successful as it was? [19:17] * Bonedagger has quit IRC (QUIT: Leaving) [19:17] * WandererUK has joined #dnd3e [19:18] Never. You're right, it was a dream come true. I won't lie; I like money and I always wanted to make money. But I love games even more. I was lucky in that everything worked out together. WotC kept blowing away one expectation after another. Magic..then D&D...then Pokemon. Holy cow! [19:18] * Raistlin25majere has quit IRC (QUIT: Leaving) [19:18] Do you miss it? Running WotC, I mean. [19:19] * Bragi has quit IRC (QUIT: Leaving) [19:20] Not really. For awhile I sorta missed being "in the action". But it was very stressful too. And, frankly, it just wasn't much fun in the later years when the company got so big I didn't know everyone. I didn't even have a chance to read every product we published and that really sucked. The only fun parts were the ocassional "pet project", like 3rd Edition D&D, but those always had a price to pay. [19:20] * CharwomanGene has quit IRC (QUIT: Leaving) [19:20] * Twinswords has quit IRC (QUIT: Leaving) [19:20] Mostly I missed being in the industry, having something to do with all this. But that's totally cured with Gen Con. GC is right in the middle of things and I love that, and it's back to the small company environment which I prefer. [19:20] * Reiella is now known as Rei|SickNotAndHere [19:20] * Rei|SickNotAndHere is now known as Rei|SickAndNotHere [19:20] How involved did you get with the actual development of 3E? [19:21] * Greyhawk_DM has joined #dnd3e [19:22] Quite involved. I directly led the design team for the first 18 months, until I had integrated Jonathan Tweet onto the team significantly enough that he could take over. I take credit for establishing the overall design "feel" of 3rd Edition. ... [19:22] * Guest39285 has joined #dnd3e [19:22] * Guest39285 has left #dnd3e [19:22] * Talaysen has quit IRC (QUIT: ) [19:22] For example, I declared "we're not going to be embarassed about rules". D&D has lots of rules. Deal with it. And things like that. [19:23] * Guest39285 has joined #dnd3e [19:23] * Guest39285 has quit IRC (QUIT: Leaving) [19:23] OK, I'm going to be grabbing some questions now. I'll do my best to "group" them, but they may appear a tad random at times. [19:23] no prob [19:24] We'll start with Gen Con [19:24] Do you have (or are you prepared to reveal to be more exact) any plans for UK/Euro Gen Con in terms of expansion or making it more attractive to gamers and companies? [19:24] * Guest72193 has quit IRC (QUIT: Leaving) [19:25] Sure. It won't be "UK Gen Con". It will be "Euro Gen Con." It may be in the UK, but there is an important distinction. I want to expand the convention in a big way by having better planning, better marketing, and more involvement with other countries in Europe and US publishers. The date of the show will move, to when we're not sure, but I'm leaning toward the weekend after Easter. We may have to skip 2003. That's TBD. [19:26] I also think it's important to select a site that can handle long term growth of the show and stay in one site year after year so that people learn the site and how to go to the show. I think this is critical. [19:26] next? [19:27] Do you think that more companies might participate? It generally has a much lower turnout than the US version in that regard. [19:27] * Guest07442 has joined #dnd3e [19:27] It's a bit of a chicken-and-the-egg. But yes, I'm hoping that with my clout (at the risk of sounding immodest) I can get more exhibitors to sign up in a bigger way and that then I can market this effectively and in turn get more consumers to come. [19:28] * Guest07442 is now known as Piratecat [19:28] This GenCon, the last in Milwaukee, has a lot of the hallmarks of WotC's GenCon, which is very understandable as the purchase was only made this past spring. What can we expect from future GenCons as they become more "Adkison" and less "WotC"? [19:28] I also intend to ask exhibitors to make a long term committment to the show and have patience while it builds. [19:28] * Eye has joined #dnd3e [19:29] * Guest25390 has quit IRC (QUIT: Leaving) [19:29] * CreativeMountain has joined #dnd3e [19:29] I think customer service and systems will improve significantly, hopefully in 2003, but by 2004 for sure. Also, I'm very passionate about making sure we have something really cool that's new every year. Like this year we have Gaming Industry Celebrity Boxing (with real gloves and real refs!) at the block party, plus a danceclub style party at the Rave on Sat nt to celebrate our stay in Milwaukee. ... [19:29] * Eye has left #dnd3e [19:30] Boxing?!? [19:30] Next year? Who knows, and this is just a silly idea, but the convention center is right next to a fullsize stadium. Live action Blood Bowl anyone? !!! [19:30] Okay, so none of that is gaming, so I should focus on that, but I think having cool additional stuff is really fun. [19:30] Cool guests? [19:30] Other than Star Trek has-beens :) [19:31] Speaking of gaming then, it's critical that we improve the accuracy of gaming event listings, and have more tournaments. I'm hoping I can use my pull with WotC to get a big magic tourny. [19:32] Yeah, cool guests too. This year we have Ted Raimi though--that's pretty cool IMO. [19:32] yay ted! someone better get me an autograph [19:32] On guests, I'd rather dish out a bit more and get at least one really big star there every year. [19:32] Certainly an omprovement on Jonathan Whatsisname! [19:32] * EpicNichar has quit IRC (QUIT: "Dragons come in 3 sizes now... Wee, Not so wee, and frickin' huge!" - Willie (Simpsons) in D&D3e) [19:32] Question for Peter - will he be attending Gen Con UK this year? [19:32] Example: if we do star wars celebration again, I want Samual Jackon damn it! [19:33] * Pozas has joined #dnd3e [19:33] I'm not sure. I don't own Gen Con UK this year (starts next year for me) so I haven't paid as much attention as I should. [19:33] But knowing how little budget they had I can't imagine they got him. [19:33] next? [19:34] Er...Jackson, not Jackon. Sorry! [19:34] Btw, if anyone's questions don't get answered, or if you think of something later, feel free to email me at adkison@aol.com. [19:34] * MongoosePaul has quit IRC (QUIT: User exited) [19:34] Speaking of misspelling last names... :) seems like that happens to you a lot [19:34] * AltoidKin has quit IRC (QUIT: User exited) [19:34] * Sollir has joined #dnd3e [19:34] What are you most excited about re. Gen Con? What is it about the convention that made you say "I must buy that""? [19:35] Yeah...I don't care what they call me, as long as they don't call me late for meals. [19:35] ba-dum-bum! and now, russ, back to you. (hides in shame) [19:36] You know, I always liked stuff that was "the best" in whatever it was. Gen Con is my favorite con and has been for all time. It really is my favorite weekend of the entire year. I look forward to it. Back when I bought TSR I didn't appreciate the Gen Con piece ... [19:36] * JensDream has quit IRC (QUIT: User exited) [19:37] of it as much as I should have, but tha'ts because I was focused on D&D. So that's understandable! But now, it's my only baby, and I'm finding that I'm appreciating it way way more than before. It's just the place to see everything that's going on in gaming. [19:37] Friends, new games, new companies, gossip, cool funky events, whatever! [19:37] It's good to hear you're still playing D&D. Who's in you rgaming group right now? [19:37] So this is the first time GenCon has been owned by someone other than WotC or TSR. A company-neutral party, so to speak. [19:37] Yes, that's right. [19:38] * Guest28491 has joined #dnd3e [19:38] well that's got to change the flavor of the convention, for good or ill. :) [19:38] * vocenoctum1 has quit IRC (QUIT: User exited) [19:38] Hey! Whose chat is this? :D [19:38] * MongoosePaul has joined #dnd3e [19:38] eh, sorry. Peter, just think of Russ and I as a ventriloquism team. I'm the dummy. [19:38] I think so. Honestly, we tried to be very neutral when we owned it as part of WotC. But perception is more important than reality. So now it's preceived as neutral, which makes it more so. [19:39] Choatic, Lawful, or True? [19:39] hee hee! [19:39] Uh, is that a question? [19:39] No! [19:39] I thought someone was trying to get me to state my alignment... :-) [19:39] My questions are more imortant! Mine! Mine! Mine! :) [19:39] * Bynw|Away is now known as Bynw [19:40] So, back to the gaming group....? [19:40] You're in charge! [19:40] I only pretend to be. Everyone just ignores me, really [19:40] * MyndCraft has joined #dnd3e [19:41] * MongoosePaul has quit IRC (QUIT: User exited) [19:41] * Retribtion has joined #dnd3e [19:41] * pace has joined #dnd3e [19:41] I understand completely. That describes my latter days at WotC quite well! [19:41] Question for Peter: Does he have any plans to expand the Gen Con circuit and create smaller or other venues? More regionally based. [19:42] * Guest67853 has joined #dnd3e [19:42] Probably not. I really don't want to step on the toes of the smaller conventions, 'cause I know how much people love those shows too. I have received many requests from exhbitors to do a west coast gen con, so i'll consider that, but would be about the extent of it. [19:43] Kugar: What do you think of the D20 buisness relationship from both the WotC/Hasboro side and the other D20 publisher's side? Do you think this buisness model has been used well by both sides. [19:43] uh oh ... the old east coast/west coast rivalry. Can't it ever just be about the music?? [19:43] * SoylentGreenIsPeople has quit IRC (QUIT: User exited) [19:43] * Guest28491 has quit IRC (QUIT: User exited) [19:43] * MongoosePaul has joined #dnd3e [19:44] I think the legal issues have been tricky for everyone. The OGL is complicated and both WotC and some of the publishers using the license have had some awkward moments. But I think it's been a great thing for the industry, 'cause it's great for consumers to have all thi sproduct to choose from. ... [19:45] I'm curious why WotC never followed through with the second half of the strategy, which was to focus purely on core rulebooks and let other companies do sourcebooks. WotC would make more money that way. [19:45] * Tika has joined #dnd3e [19:45] * ChanServ sets mode: +u Tika [19:45] (I wanted to drop all the campaign settings by selling them off to smaller companies who could make a profit on them.) [19:45] * Sifter has joined #dnd3e [19:45] * Mytholder has joined #dnd3e [19:45] * JeffB has quit IRC (QUIT: User exited) [19:45] next? [19:45] * pace has quit IRC (QUIT: User exited) [19:46] What about the setting search? Were the seeds of that sown back in your day, or was it a later thing? [19:46] * Fractalwave has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) [19:47] Yeah, and I grudgingly agreed to it. That I believe is more of a strategy to help the novels department than the games department. We'll see what happens. I'm not sure it's real smart to do. [19:47] * Guest44788 has joined #dnd3e [19:47] How many D20 companies have asked you to invest and did you seriously consider any? [19:47] Besides, I thought we had some great campaign setting concepts within WotC that we owned 100% already. I didn't like the idea of paying a hundred grand for something new. [19:47] * Talath has quit IRC (QUIT: User exited) [19:48] Actually, hardly any. Maybe none. I can't think of any anyways. And I wouldn't if asked. I've invested far too much money in gaming companies already that have come to nothing! [19:48] Yeah, that WotC venture didn't really work out, did it? :) [19:48] A couple TCG companies have hit me up though. [19:48] * Napftor has joined #dnd3e [19:49] Naw! But of course I'm talking about gaming companies that I didn't run! [19:49] * MobtownAce has joined #dnd3e [19:49] (Question) Is it true that Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson are finally going to have it out in the boxing ring? [19:49] (not that someone else can't do it--I just can't pick 'em!) [19:49] Oh god, that would be delicious.... :-) [19:49] * vogless has quit IRC (QUIT: User exited) [19:49] $5 on gygax :p [19:50] I'd pay to see that :) [19:50] Primal Order - you bought it back a while back, didn't you? [19:50] * FFG has joined #dnd3e [19:51] Yes, I did. And nope, I haven't done a darn thing with it! I just wanted it for sentimental reasons, since it was my first book, and WotC's first product. With the d20 ... [19:51] onslaught , plus with what WotC has planned for higher level play, I'm not sure there's a market for it anymore. There probably... [19:51] was right after d20 went live, but I drug my feet and missed that chance I think. [19:52] Henry> (Question) Is it true that Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson are finally going to have it out in the boxing ring? [19:52] Sorry! [19:52] Copy/[aste [19:52] * OaxacanWarrior has joined #dnd3e [19:53] * Guest02741 has joined #dnd3e [19:53] Henry> Do you see the recent WotC "pruning" of peripheral departments as a smart business sign, or a sign that things are not looking well on the horizon for them? [19:53] * Chriskaballa has joined #dnd3e [19:53] * maransreth has joined #dnd3e [19:54] Hmmm, good question. Perhaps as a division within Hasbro the "prunings" make some sense. Now WotC is a product division within a larger corporate entity, and the larger company isn't really wanting WotC to aggressively pursue new business ventures. When WotC was independent... [19:54] * MobtownAce has quit IRC (QUIT: User exited) [19:54] * Chriskaballa has quit IRC (QUIT: User exited) [19:54] it was more important that we diversify, explore new avenues of growth, in order to stay vibrant and support our long term liquidity needs. The only part that really didn't make [19:55] * Guest52975 has quit IRC (QUIT: User exited) [19:55] sense to me was selling off all the electronic rights. When that happened, that's when I got out. [19:55] * Guest09921 has joined #dnd3e [19:55] Does it ever bother you to see the way your "baby" has changed, especially since you left? [19:55] * WandererUK has quit IRC (QUIT: User exited) [19:56] * Dread0395 has joined #dnd3e [19:56] It's sad to see good people get laid off, that part is tough. But naw, it's not that big a deal. I'm one of those few people who like change. I was getting tired of the publishing grind and was quite happy to have a graceful exit. [19:56] Don't get me wrong, I really really loved my time at WotC. But 10 years was just the right amount of time to be there for me. [19:57] next? [19:57] OK, folks, we only have a few minutes left. Peter's got a D&D game to get to, I believe. [19:57] * cyber_talus has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) [19:57] Playing my dwarven druid/rogue tonight! [19:58] I've only managed to skim the questions, so if your question hasn't been asked, please post it in this thread and I'll pester him for an interview later! [19:58] The party doesn't really appreciate his advanced dire rats though (named Syphlus and Anthrax). [19:58] http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18490 [19:58] Who would be in your gaming group "dream team"> [19:58] * Pozas has quit IRC (QUIT: User exited) [19:58] * Guest34470 has quit IRC (QUIT: User exited) [19:58] * cyber_talus has joined #dnd3e [19:59] A couple are friends (Steve Conard and CJ), plus Jonathan Tweet, Greg Stafford, Mark Rein*Hagen ... [19:59] Oh, and Tracy Hickman... [20:00] Every year at Gen Con I host an authors game that's pretty incredible. Tracy Hickman, Margaret Weis, Ed Greenwood, Jeff Grubb, Troy Denning. That's a great game. [20:00] I can imagine [20:00] I just got done studying Sorcerer by Ron Edwards, so I'd love to try a game with him some day. [20:00] The authors game is one where I lose the most control as a DM!!! They literally take over. [20:01] * Piratecat has quit IRC (QUIT: User exited) [20:01] Oh, I'd love to have Bob Salvatore in my game. He'd be a blast. [20:01] Well, they do like to write the story! [20:01] Why did you decide to become involved in fan-based industry awards? Was there some dissatisfaction with Origins? [20:02] * spunky_muttersGuest has joined #dnd3e [20:02] * Monte has joined #dnd3e [20:02] No dissatisfaction with Origins. I love GAMA and Origins! But I did want Gen Con to have an awards program, and the ENnies were recommended highly to me, so instead of starting something new I suggested we join up. And I like how the two programs ... [20:02] are nicely differentiated from each other. [20:03] * Guest67853 has quit IRC (QUIT: User exited) [20:03] Of course, now I end up having to speak publicly... I'm dreading it! [20:03] The only thing I've asked Russ/Eric is that I want to make sure that all the obvious products for a given category make it onto the ballot. Several times the Origins Awards have had significant products not even get nominated cause some... [20:04] * Aaron_L has joined #dnd3e [20:04] one was too lazy to follow through. Like this year no Magic: The Gathering expansion was nominated. That's silly, especially given what a great set of releases Magic has last year. [20:04] well russ you can do your speaking through Eric the Dummy [20:04] You'll do great! Just remember to breathe. :-) [20:04] As long as you don't ask to sit on my knee again [20:04] * Zouron has quit IRC (QUIT: User exited) [20:04] hey, you just keep your hand out of my back [20:05] They had to go there.... [20:05] we're a comedy duo. or something. [20:05] One last question? [20:05] OK, let me pick one at random [20:05] * darkfuriesGuest has joined #dnd3e [20:06] Kugar: Thank you for the third edition of DnD. Pulling all that creative talent together, taking the big risk, and publishing the Player's Handbook. Can you talk a little about the vison for 3e started and how it changed over the course of the project? [20:06] Essay, 5000 words, please. [20:06] * JohnNephew has joined #dnd3e [20:07] I think the biggest "vision" issue was whether or not 3E should be more rules intensive or more storytelling in nature. There was a huge movement within TSR to make D&D lighter on rules, emphasize *role*playing, and all that ****. That's fine, but that's not D&D. I like what Jonathan Tweet said once, "D&D is the game that dares to define everything." ... [20:08] Oops, I think I said a naughty word and lost my post.... hold on [20:08] We got it, I think :) [20:08] * Lokirime has joined #dnd3e [20:08] Oh, ok, I'll go on. [20:09] * Michelle has joined #dnd3e [20:09] * Michelle has quit IRC (QUIT: User exited) [20:09] * Michelle_Nephew has joined #dnd3e [20:10] Was that the end of the reply, or is there more to come? [20:10] That sort of roleplaying is fine and all, but I wanted 3E to be, well, like it turned out. A game that's rulesy, yet with good, solid, elegant rules that make sense. One of my favorite design quips was "A complicated rule that makes sense is less complicated than a simpler rule that doesn't make sense." So I insisted on having a sensible skill system, sensible multiclassing, etc. [20:10] Ah [20:10] * Bloodthorn has joined #dnd3e [20:10] * Guest44788 has quit IRC (QUIT: User exited) [20:10] * bones_mccoy has joined #dnd3e [20:10] * BadMojo has joined #dnd3e [20:10] * ChanServ sets mode: +o BadMojo [20:10] * Guest02741 has quit IRC (QUIT: User exited) [20:11] * OaxacanWarrior has quit IRC (QUIT: User exited) [20:11] OK, there is one little thing that we ask of all our guests before they go (you'll love this!) [20:11] Finally, I also insisted on lots of options. Don't tell me wizards can't wear armor, just give me a penalty for doing so. Let dwarves have clerics, yadda yadda yadda. The few restrictions that *are* in the game (like paladins can't multiclass) are concessions I made and didn't even really agree to. [20:11] okay, i'll stop... [20:11] Yes? [20:11] A haiku! [20:11] Subject: Gen Con [20:12] What's the structure of a haiku? I don't recall... [20:12] 5/7/5, I believe [20:12] We;ll go with that, anyway [20:12] * Guest04093 has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) [20:12] * Guest34303 has joined #dnd3e [20:12] Oh I love Gen Con [20:12] * Guest34303 has quit IRC (QUIT: User exited) [20:12] And I love gamers! But... [20:13] Someone bring the soap! [20:13] LOL [20:13] Super! [20:13] lol [20:13] i read that the convention center had some other problems -- with the roof, ventilation, and ... uh ... sea birds [20:13] Thanks for coming, Peter - it was fun! [20:13] Oops, insert Oh in line two [20:13] Yeah, it's fixed now. [20:13] Okay, gotta go. Love you all! See ya at the show! [20:13] bye, thanks! [20:14] * Lokirime has quit IRC (QUIT: User exited) [20:14] Enjoy your game! [20:14] later PA! [20:14] Bye. Will do! [20:14] * PeterAdkison has quit IRC (QUIT: User exited) Session Close: Wed Jul 24 20:14:31 2002